A Debate with a Muslim:

I have had an ongoing debate with a Muslim scholar on another internet forum. I am posting it here for a wider audience. Please comment. My off debate interjection will be in RED.

Here is the first installment by the Muslim who goes by Adam. I am going by my user name Jude.

Hi
we should first know that when we express ourselves,we often have a background of our attitudes.But what is important is to look for the truth in spite of the background.The passages you mention is true.But not of all non muslims.It is for those non beleivers who were fighting our prophet.because our prophet when he started to tell about his message,he was strongly fighted and they killed his follows.At that moment god asked him to fight those who wanted to stop his message.
But if you think that i have right to hate you or kill you because you are non muslims then you are wrong.
Islam do not ask us to do that.I want you to understand that the verses you mean is only when muslims were killed.So they have right to defend themselves as God said.Defending youself is a nutural instinct.But becarful there is bad interpretation of quran which want show that Islam is a violent relegion.
i would like to answer my question.do u beleive that quran is a book from God? I thinks its better to discuss basic things.I dont mean that what you said is a basic.But lets start from the top.

do u beleive that quran is a book from God?
Adam

Here is my response:

When two ideas oppose each other, they both cannot be truth. One is a lie and the other is truth. The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ arose from the dead, the Koran says He did not. Which is true? There is evidence both empirical and circumstantial that support the facts of Gods Holy Word the Bible. I put my faith in the Holy Bible. Not the Koran. The Koran can contain truth but does not actually make the entire book true. We must consider the evidence. Jesus Christ was either GOD in the flesh or He is the biggest fake phony and fraud, liar, lunatic that ever walked the earth. He claimed to be GOD. He said where He would die and by what means. He declared Himself to be God and was crucified, risen and coming again for all who believe. That friends is the truth. Nobody has or ever will successfully refute that fact of history.

Oops. Your boat has a hole in it.

I think I may have hit a nerve because now the debate heats up:

hi
we moslims we beleive in the bible.but there is a great part of it was rewritten.and our schoolars proved that when they have debate with yours schoolars.and those schoolars confess that it is true.so since its true that the bible is rewritten in a certain time,why we dont say that its them who say that jesus in the son of god?
i read about the bible but nothing touched me to it.and the langauge it is wretten is bad.that means human hands.i have question about ur relegion that i dont understand and its impossible to be understood.Why should God have a son?!!when you say that,it means that you look to God as human being.but Godness can never be humanity.if jesus is the son of God,why he is the only son.He should have 2/3 or 4 children.i notice that in the bible jesus is more important then God?!!and a preist want to convert someone all he says,you have to love jesus.but love here is metaphore.because you can never love someone you have never seen.love here means to follow what he asked us to do?so do christian do what the bible say to them?
you say that God sacrifies his son.why God wait all this time to send his son to forgive the sins?since the sin is commited God must send his son after the si directly.what about the people lived before jesus.how their sins would be forgaven?why God waited this long time?!!!and there is no way God forgave the sins only to let savage human kill his son?!!!a God crucified on the cross?!!is this god?!!!!!!
god watching on his son crucified?!!!!!!!!!!!!
there is no logic in the bible.only a mixture of illusions.i am sure you have never read the quran.you will never find answers of this question if you dont read quran.the bible makes a person very cunfused simply there is no logic?
Can you tell me why islam is the only relegion, people convert to?
can you tell me why a lot of preist and preachers who spent their life teaching the bible and in a moment they convert to islam?!!!!!!!!are they mad?
can you tell me why chritians are abetting people to convert.most of them give money?!!!take money but please convert to chritainity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the quran will help you to understand the universe and the truth of the bible
at least this may help you
http://www.islam-guide.com/
http://www.islamreligion.com/
if you think my boat has a hole in it. i tell you think twice


note:suppose your son was playing at home and by accident he killed himself by a knife, will you keep this knife and make it a symbol to you?instead you hate the cross you put on you necks!!!!!
Adam

My response:
My dear friend:
It is you who are deceived by your lack of true logic. You speak out of both sides of your mouth when you say "we muslims believe the bible." then you say "the Bible is rewritten so it cannot be true." How do you reconcile this dizziness? You have no record of any debate where true Christian scholars ever admit to believing a rewritten Bible. The fact of the matter is the Bible has been perfectly preserved through the centuries by people to whom the Bible was entrusted. It is the Koran that was written 600 years after the death, burial and Resurrection of the LORD Jesus Christ. How could the prophet know these things when he was so far removed from the actual events? The Bible was written by eye witnesses to the actual events. This very fact proves the Koran false and the Bible to be the Word of Almighty Jehovah GOD!

Nothing touches you in the Bible because you have the preconceived notion that the Bible is false. You do not have any evidence. Just suspicion, superstition and conjecture.

God sent His only begotten Son into the world to save the world from their sin. Ever since the Garden of Eden God began promising His Son. See Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The reason for this because all of mankind are sinners.(Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;) This sin must be paid for. (Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.) Since you nor I could ever make the atonement God sent His Son to make the sacrifice.(Titus 3:5-6 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;) It is this sacrifice that was prophesied throughout the entire Old Testament into the time of Jesus Christ. The Old Testament people looked to God for atonement by offering the blood of animals. When Jesus came, the sacrifice ceased because He became the once and for all redemption for our sins. He was 100% man and 100% God. It is the only way to have our sins forgiven. If you do not accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour you must make the payment for your sins. This you could never do. Those who reject this will be cast into the Lake of Fire where their worm dieth not and the flesh is burned for ever and ever. We are all deserving of punishment but God is merciful and loving to send His Only Begotten Son to take away the sins of the world.

Most people that convert to Christianity for money are not true converts to Christ and will be punished for their misdeeds.
Maybe you live in a country or nation where Christianity is unlawful and not in the majority. I can tell you where I live, we see converts coming to Jesus Christ all the time. Yea some Muslims are converting to Christianity. See here: http://jude3kjb.blogspot.com/

The cross is a symbol. I do not worship the cross or wear one around my neck. It symbolizes the love of God had for me. I will cherish that old cross as a memory of His great sacrifice. I hope you can understand this. My prayer is that the darkness of your eyes will be enlightened to receive this wonderful gift of Salvation through the shed Blood of Jesus Christ, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings to be worshipped and adored forever and ever.

Adam said:

dear freind
i wonder how you dont understand what i mean when i told that we beleive in the bible.i mean we moslims beleive in the bible that is from God.but when it was time to write it down on papers,here at this moment a lot of verses added by human hands and other verses delated.if you think that is impossible then you are deceiving yourself.why not impossible?
your answer about money given to people to convert to chritainity was not good.you all did is show me the result of people accepting money without real faith.no,i want you answer me why preachers give
money to people to convert to chritainity?!!if you convert we will give you money?!!!why money?
you should that when we give money,that means that we know already that the target person will not accept to do what we want him to do,sowe use moneymost preachers choose poor people to convertwhy?!!is chritainity only for poor people?!!you chritains dont beleive in our prophet.because it is not mentioned in the bible.is this a logic reason?!!our prophet is mentioned in the bible but as i told you, the bible is distorted.(distort is something and to deny all is somthine else)
Mohammad in the bible http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/6377/index.htm
and if mohamed is not a prophet, where did the Quran come from?!!what about scientific truth in the Quran?!!!http://www.islam-guide.com/. is mohamed able to say this truths 1400 years ago?!!!!!!!!!!!!
do you know what does it mean 1400 years ago?.this truths are discovered in the 20th centry!!!
but please be clear and explaine me?the prophet mohamed tell us about scintific truth.if you dont unswer me, i think there is no need to go forwards in our debate.
jesus is god according to you.the son og god.jesus himself said"i and the father is one.it means i am the father and the father is me.ok. when jesus god die for the tree days,who was controling and arranging the world?!!! who kept the three heavens to fall down?!!!

you say god and son and holy trinity is one.how can three things be one(3=1)?!!!!if you tell me that 1+1+1=1,then you must go to a psychologist.
if i put in front of you a glass of water and a glas of tea and a glass of cofee,then i tell you how many of them?
if you say it is one,i have also to tell you to go to a psychologist.and if you say that its three glasses, then i ask you how could 3 be 1.

if you say that god is compound.THEN WHO COMPOUND GOD BEFORE HE BECOMES COMPOUND,and he is the creator of the universe?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i think you dont beleive in logic.if you dont beleive in it.thats your problem.
thats why i advise you to read quran.you will find answers of all your delima question.
all people converted to islam say that we had bad image on islam and they say that the only source of information about islam was TV.and the channels which spread islamophobia are very known
brother i advise you to look for the truth but not from TV
may allah help you to know the truth
Adam

My response:

Dear Adam:

Sir, you give no evidence for your stand against the Bible. Just conjecture and opinion. It really means nothing. It seems you get all your information from youtube. I wonder why you will not debate in a logical manner. Where is your evidence for God's Word the Bible? What is your basis for your opinions about the Bible? Your premise is confusing. I concede it is very possible to add words to the Bible. Just like Mohammad did when he wrote the Satanic Verses. But my God preserves His Word to believers. Your god writes them, then rejects them as "satanic". I have in my possession, the 1611 Authorized King James translation that is proven to be historically accurate for the last 500 years. Before that they had the Hebrew and Greek and Aramaic manuscripts that were jealously guarded from any misquotes or mistranslations. I agree that there are many perverted texts out there but they were all from the Alexandrian texts that were polluted.

The devil is very clever to not only pollute God's Holy Word but also to counterfeit and dilute true Christianity. The devil has many of his disciples going to and fro, up and down in the earth to deceive many. Many masquerade as Christ's disciples but they are not.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

I am not aware of anyone anywhere that takes money to become a Christian. Perhaps in your country there are desperate few that will accept money to convert but not here the US. Those that give money to convert are not true preachers of the Gospel and will perish with their money.

Mohammad in the bible? More lies conjured up to try to legitimize your religion. I read the link. The Hebrew word here is

machmad

. It means exactly as the translation-LOVELY. But the verse is not talking about your prophet. That is absurd just because the word machmad and Mohammad sound the same does not make them equivalent. The context speaks about Solomon's beloved and prophetically the beauty of Jesus Christ. The Book is a divine allegory that describes Christ and His Beloved.

There are many vague scientific examples you have given. How about these absurd "scientific" findings in extra-Koranic writings? Muhammad said that upon awakening one must blow his nose three times to rid himself of the Devil, who spends the night in a man's nostrils (Sahih Bukhari IV, 516; Muslim I, 462), that yawning is from Satan (Bukhari IV, 509), that if a Muslim falls asleep praying Satan urinates in his ears (Bukhari II:245), and people who pray with their eyes lifted toward heaven might have their eyes snatched away (Muslim I, 863). Many of the "scientific" discoveries in the Koran were already understood and propagated through the Bible. Your hind sight is always 20/20. I would like to see the prophecies of the Koran come true. Where is the light of that proof. You have similar experience of the false prophet Nostradamas. You use vagueness but we use the Bible. It is true that ALL the prophecies of the Bible have come to pass or must shortly come to pass.

Jesus is GOD> He is God manifest in the flesh. You do not understand because you have a god in you mind. Let go of your notions to see the God that created the universe could certainly manifest Himself as a man and still control everything from Heaven. He is triune. You reject the true God because you have a finite understanding. God is infinite and may manifest Himself in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ. You may ridicule and mock me but your time is short because Jesus Christ will return to this earth again soon. If you have not received Jesus Christ you must be punished.

I became a Christian when I was in my 40s. I was a religious zealot like you but I had no knowledge of saving faith in Christ. When I understood my plight, I repented and believed upon Jesus Christ for my salvation.. This means I changed my mind about my false religion and turned to Jesus Christ for the keeping of my soul.

If you humble yourself and receive the Lord and acknowledge your error, you will be saved. You have watched youtube too long. Get out your Bible and READ!

I am awaiting Adam's response. I will post more as it develops. IF I hear from Adam again. Your comments are appreciated.