Friends:
To conserve the space, please see the rest of the debate below HERE:
http://www.baptistmuse.com/forum/
Check the Debate and Discussion section. My User name is Jude.
Mar 31, 2008
Mar 27, 2008
A Debate with a Muslim:
I have had an ongoing debate with a Muslim scholar on another internet forum. I am posting it here for a wider audience. Please comment. My off debate interjection will be in RED.
Here is the first installment by the Muslim who goes by Adam. I am going by my user name Jude.
Hi
we should first know that when we express ourselves,we often have a background of our attitudes.But what is important is to look for the truth in spite of the background.The passages you mention is true.But not of all non muslims.It is for those non beleivers who were fighting our prophet.because our prophet when he started to tell about his message,he was strongly fighted and they killed his follows.At that moment god asked him to fight those who wanted to stop his message.
But if you think that i have right to hate you or kill you because you are non muslims then you are wrong.
Islam do not ask us to do that.I want you to understand that the verses you mean is only when muslims were killed.So they have right to defend themselves as God said.Defending youself is a nutural instinct.But becarful there is bad interpretation of quran which want show that Islam is a violent relegion.
i would like to answer my question.do u beleive that quran is a book from God? I thinks its better to discuss basic things.I dont mean that what you said is a basic.But lets start from the top.
do u beleive that quran is a book from God?
Adam
Here is my response:
When two ideas oppose each other, they both cannot be truth. One is a lie and the other is truth. The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ arose from the dead, the Koran says He did not. Which is true? There is evidence both empirical and circumstantial that support the facts of Gods Holy Word the Bible. I put my faith in the Holy Bible. Not the Koran. The Koran can contain truth but does not actually make the entire book true. We must consider the evidence. Jesus Christ was either GOD in the flesh or He is the biggest fake phony and fraud, liar, lunatic that ever walked the earth. He claimed to be GOD. He said where He would die and by what means. He declared Himself to be God and was crucified, risen and coming again for all who believe. That friends is the truth. Nobody has or ever will successfully refute that fact of history.
Oops. Your boat has a hole in it.
I think I may have hit a nerve because now the debate heats up:
hi
we moslims we beleive in the bible.but there is a great part of it was rewritten.and our schoolars proved that when they have debate with yours schoolars.and those schoolars confess that it is true.so since its true that the bible is rewritten in a certain time,why we dont say that its them who say that jesus in the son of god?
i read about the bible but nothing touched me to it.and the langauge it is wretten is bad.that means human hands.i have question about ur relegion that i dont understand and its impossible to be understood.Why should God have a son?!!when you say that,it means that you look to God as human being.but Godness can never be humanity.if jesus is the son of God,why he is the only son.He should have 2/3 or 4 children.i notice that in the bible jesus is more important then God?!!and a preist want to convert someone all he says,you have to love jesus.but love here is metaphore.because you can never love someone you have never seen.love here means to follow what he asked us to do?so do christian do what the bible say to them?
you say that God sacrifies his son.why God wait all this time to send his son to forgive the sins?since the sin is commited God must send his son after the si directly.what about the people lived before jesus.how their sins would be forgaven?why God waited this long time?!!!and there is no way God forgave the sins only to let savage human kill his son?!!!a God crucified on the cross?!!is this god?!!!!!!
god watching on his son crucified?!!!!!!!!!!!!
there is no logic in the bible.only a mixture of illusions.i am sure you have never read the quran.you will never find answers of this question if you dont read quran.the bible makes a person very cunfused simply there is no logic?
Can you tell me why islam is the only relegion, people convert to?
can you tell me why a lot of preist and preachers who spent their life teaching the bible and in a moment they convert to islam?!!!!!!!!are they mad?
can you tell me why chritians are abetting people to convert.most of them give money?!!!take money but please convert to chritainity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the quran will help you to understand the universe and the truth of the bible
at least this may help you
http://www.islam-guide.com/
http://www.islamreligion.com/
if you think my boat has a hole in it. i tell you think twice
note:suppose your son was playing at home and by accident he killed himself by a knife, will you keep this knife and make it a symbol to you?instead you hate the cross you put on you necks!!!!!
Adam
My response:
My dear friend:
It is you who are deceived by your lack of true logic. You speak out of both sides of your mouth when you say "we muslims believe the bible." then you say "the Bible is rewritten so it cannot be true." How do you reconcile this dizziness? You have no record of any debate where true Christian scholars ever admit to believing a rewritten Bible. The fact of the matter is the Bible has been perfectly preserved through the centuries by people to whom the Bible was entrusted. It is the Koran that was written 600 years after the death, burial and Resurrection of the LORD Jesus Christ. How could the prophet know these things when he was so far removed from the actual events? The Bible was written by eye witnesses to the actual events. This very fact proves the Koran false and the Bible to be the Word of Almighty Jehovah GOD!
Nothing touches you in the Bible because you have the preconceived notion that the Bible is false. You do not have any evidence. Just suspicion, superstition and conjecture.
God sent His only begotten Son into the world to save the world from their sin. Ever since the Garden of Eden God began promising His Son. See Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The reason for this because all of mankind are sinners.(Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;) This sin must be paid for. (Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.) Since you nor I could ever make the atonement God sent His Son to make the sacrifice.(Titus 3:5-6 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;) It is this sacrifice that was prophesied throughout the entire Old Testament into the time of Jesus Christ. The Old Testament people looked to God for atonement by offering the blood of animals. When Jesus came, the sacrifice ceased because He became the once and for all redemption for our sins. He was 100% man and 100% God. It is the only way to have our sins forgiven. If you do not accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour you must make the payment for your sins. This you could never do. Those who reject this will be cast into the Lake of Fire where their worm dieth not and the flesh is burned for ever and ever. We are all deserving of punishment but God is merciful and loving to send His Only Begotten Son to take away the sins of the world.
Most people that convert to Christianity for money are not true converts to Christ and will be punished for their misdeeds.
Maybe you live in a country or nation where Christianity is unlawful and not in the majority. I can tell you where I live, we see converts coming to Jesus Christ all the time. Yea some Muslims are converting to Christianity. See here: http://jude3kjb.blogspot.com/
The cross is a symbol. I do not worship the cross or wear one around my neck. It symbolizes the love of God had for me. I will cherish that old cross as a memory of His great sacrifice. I hope you can understand this. My prayer is that the darkness of your eyes will be enlightened to receive this wonderful gift of Salvation through the shed Blood of Jesus Christ, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings to be worshipped and adored forever and ever.
Adam said:
dear freind
i wonder how you dont understand what i mean when i told that we beleive in the bible.i mean we moslims beleive in the bible that is from God.but when it was time to write it down on papers,here at this moment a lot of verses added by human hands and other verses delated.if you think that is impossible then you are deceiving yourself.why not impossible?
your answer about money given to people to convert to chritainity was not good.you all did is show me the result of people accepting money without real faith.no,i want you answer me why preachers give
money to people to convert to chritainity?!!if you convert we will give you money?!!!why money?
you should that when we give money,that means that we know already that the target person will not accept to do what we want him to do,sowe use moneymost preachers choose poor people to convertwhy?!!is chritainity only for poor people?!!you chritains dont beleive in our prophet.because it is not mentioned in the bible.is this a logic reason?!!our prophet is mentioned in the bible but as i told you, the bible is distorted.(distort is something and to deny all is somthine else)
Mohammad in the bible http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/6377/index.htm
and if mohamed is not a prophet, where did the Quran come from?!!what about scientific truth in the Quran?!!!http://www.islam-guide.com/. is mohamed able to say this truths 1400 years ago?!!!!!!!!!!!!
do you know what does it mean 1400 years ago?.this truths are discovered in the 20th centry!!!
but please be clear and explaine me?the prophet mohamed tell us about scintific truth.if you dont unswer me, i think there is no need to go forwards in our debate.
jesus is god according to you.the son og god.jesus himself said"i and the father is one.it means i am the father and the father is me.ok. when jesus god die for the tree days,who was controling and arranging the world?!!! who kept the three heavens to fall down?!!!
you say god and son and holy trinity is one.how can three things be one(3=1)?!!!!if you tell me that 1+1+1=1,then you must go to a psychologist.
if i put in front of you a glass of water and a glas of tea and a glass of cofee,then i tell you how many of them?
if you say it is one,i have also to tell you to go to a psychologist.and if you say that its three glasses, then i ask you how could 3 be 1.
if you say that god is compound.THEN WHO COMPOUND GOD BEFORE HE BECOMES COMPOUND,and he is the creator of the universe?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think you dont beleive in logic.if you dont beleive in it.thats your problem.
thats why i advise you to read quran.you will find answers of all your delima question.
all people converted to islam say that we had bad image on islam and they say that the only source of information about islam was TV.and the channels which spread islamophobia are very known
brother i advise you to look for the truth but not from TV
may allah help you to know the truth
Adam
My response:
Dear Adam:
Sir, you give no evidence for your stand against the Bible. Just conjecture and opinion. It really means nothing. It seems you get all your information from youtube. I wonder why you will not debate in a logical manner. Where is your evidence for God's Word the Bible? What is your basis for your opinions about the Bible? Your premise is confusing. I concede it is very possible to add words to the Bible. Just like Mohammad did when he wrote the Satanic Verses. But my God preserves His Word to believers. Your god writes them, then rejects them as "satanic". I have in my possession, the 1611 Authorized King James translation that is proven to be historically accurate for the last 500 years. Before that they had the Hebrew and Greek and Aramaic manuscripts that were jealously guarded from any misquotes or mistranslations. I agree that there are many perverted texts out there but they were all from the Alexandrian texts that were polluted.
The devil is very clever to not only pollute God's Holy Word but also to counterfeit and dilute true Christianity. The devil has many of his disciples going to and fro, up and down in the earth to deceive many. Many masquerade as Christ's disciples but they are not.
I am not aware of anyone anywhere that takes money to become a Christian. Perhaps in your country there are desperate few that will accept money to convert but not here the US. Those that give money to convert are not true preachers of the Gospel and will perish with their money.
Mohammad in the bible? More lies conjured up to try to legitimize your religion. I read the link. The Hebrew word here is
There are many vague scientific examples you have given. How about these absurd "scientific" findings in extra-Koranic writings? Muhammad said that upon awakening one must blow his nose three times to rid himself of the Devil, who spends the night in a man's nostrils (Sahih Bukhari IV, 516; Muslim I, 462), that yawning is from Satan (Bukhari IV, 509), that if a Muslim falls asleep praying Satan urinates in his ears (Bukhari II:245), and people who pray with their eyes lifted toward heaven might have their eyes snatched away (Muslim I, 863). Many of the "scientific" discoveries in the Koran were already understood and propagated through the Bible. Your hind sight is always 20/20. I would like to see the prophecies of the Koran come true. Where is the light of that proof. You have similar experience of the false prophet Nostradamas. You use vagueness but we use the Bible. It is true that ALL the prophecies of the Bible have come to pass or must shortly come to pass.
Jesus is GOD> He is God manifest in the flesh. You do not understand because you have a god in you mind. Let go of your notions to see the God that created the universe could certainly manifest Himself as a man and still control everything from Heaven. He is triune. You reject the true God because you have a finite understanding. God is infinite and may manifest Himself in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ. You may ridicule and mock me but your time is short because Jesus Christ will return to this earth again soon. If you have not received Jesus Christ you must be punished.
I became a Christian when I was in my 40s. I was a religious zealot like you but I had no knowledge of saving faith in Christ. When I understood my plight, I repented and believed upon Jesus Christ for my salvation.. This means I changed my mind about my false religion and turned to Jesus Christ for the keeping of my soul.
If you humble yourself and receive the Lord and acknowledge your error, you will be saved. You have watched youtube too long. Get out your Bible and READ!
I am awaiting Adam's response. I will post more as it develops. IF I hear from Adam again. Your comments are appreciated.
Here is the first installment by the Muslim who goes by Adam. I am going by my user name Jude.
Hi
we should first know that when we express ourselves,we often have a background of our attitudes.But what is important is to look for the truth in spite of the background.The passages you mention is true.But not of all non muslims.It is for those non beleivers who were fighting our prophet.because our prophet when he started to tell about his message,he was strongly fighted and they killed his follows.At that moment god asked him to fight those who wanted to stop his message.
But if you think that i have right to hate you or kill you because you are non muslims then you are wrong.
Islam do not ask us to do that.I want you to understand that the verses you mean is only when muslims were killed.So they have right to defend themselves as God said.Defending youself is a nutural instinct.But becarful there is bad interpretation of quran which want show that Islam is a violent relegion.
i would like to answer my question.do u beleive that quran is a book from God? I thinks its better to discuss basic things.I dont mean that what you said is a basic.But lets start from the top.
do u beleive that quran is a book from God?
Adam
Here is my response:
When two ideas oppose each other, they both cannot be truth. One is a lie and the other is truth. The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ arose from the dead, the Koran says He did not. Which is true? There is evidence both empirical and circumstantial that support the facts of Gods Holy Word the Bible. I put my faith in the Holy Bible. Not the Koran. The Koran can contain truth but does not actually make the entire book true. We must consider the evidence. Jesus Christ was either GOD in the flesh or He is the biggest fake phony and fraud, liar, lunatic that ever walked the earth. He claimed to be GOD. He said where He would die and by what means. He declared Himself to be God and was crucified, risen and coming again for all who believe. That friends is the truth. Nobody has or ever will successfully refute that fact of history.
Oops. Your boat has a hole in it.
I think I may have hit a nerve because now the debate heats up:
hi
we moslims we beleive in the bible.but there is a great part of it was rewritten.and our schoolars proved that when they have debate with yours schoolars.and those schoolars confess that it is true.so since its true that the bible is rewritten in a certain time,why we dont say that its them who say that jesus in the son of god?
i read about the bible but nothing touched me to it.and the langauge it is wretten is bad.that means human hands.i have question about ur relegion that i dont understand and its impossible to be understood.Why should God have a son?!!when you say that,it means that you look to God as human being.but Godness can never be humanity.if jesus is the son of God,why he is the only son.He should have 2/3 or 4 children.i notice that in the bible jesus is more important then God?!!and a preist want to convert someone all he says,you have to love jesus.but love here is metaphore.because you can never love someone you have never seen.love here means to follow what he asked us to do?so do christian do what the bible say to them?
you say that God sacrifies his son.why God wait all this time to send his son to forgive the sins?since the sin is commited God must send his son after the si directly.what about the people lived before jesus.how their sins would be forgaven?why God waited this long time?!!!and there is no way God forgave the sins only to let savage human kill his son?!!!a God crucified on the cross?!!is this god?!!!!!!
god watching on his son crucified?!!!!!!!!!!!!
there is no logic in the bible.only a mixture of illusions.i am sure you have never read the quran.you will never find answers of this question if you dont read quran.the bible makes a person very cunfused simply there is no logic?
Can you tell me why islam is the only relegion, people convert to?
can you tell me why a lot of preist and preachers who spent their life teaching the bible and in a moment they convert to islam?!!!!!!!!are they mad?
can you tell me why chritians are abetting people to convert.most of them give money?!!!take money but please convert to chritainity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the quran will help you to understand the universe and the truth of the bible
at least this may help you
http://www.islam-guide.com/
http://www.islamreligion.com/
if you think my boat has a hole in it. i tell you think twice
note:suppose your son was playing at home and by accident he killed himself by a knife, will you keep this knife and make it a symbol to you?instead you hate the cross you put on you necks!!!!!
Adam
My response:
My dear friend:
It is you who are deceived by your lack of true logic. You speak out of both sides of your mouth when you say "we muslims believe the bible." then you say "the Bible is rewritten so it cannot be true." How do you reconcile this dizziness? You have no record of any debate where true Christian scholars ever admit to believing a rewritten Bible. The fact of the matter is the Bible has been perfectly preserved through the centuries by people to whom the Bible was entrusted. It is the Koran that was written 600 years after the death, burial and Resurrection of the LORD Jesus Christ. How could the prophet know these things when he was so far removed from the actual events? The Bible was written by eye witnesses to the actual events. This very fact proves the Koran false and the Bible to be the Word of Almighty Jehovah GOD!
Nothing touches you in the Bible because you have the preconceived notion that the Bible is false. You do not have any evidence. Just suspicion, superstition and conjecture.
God sent His only begotten Son into the world to save the world from their sin. Ever since the Garden of Eden God began promising His Son. See Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The reason for this because all of mankind are sinners.(Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;) This sin must be paid for. (Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.) Since you nor I could ever make the atonement God sent His Son to make the sacrifice.(Titus 3:5-6 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;) It is this sacrifice that was prophesied throughout the entire Old Testament into the time of Jesus Christ. The Old Testament people looked to God for atonement by offering the blood of animals. When Jesus came, the sacrifice ceased because He became the once and for all redemption for our sins. He was 100% man and 100% God. It is the only way to have our sins forgiven. If you do not accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour you must make the payment for your sins. This you could never do. Those who reject this will be cast into the Lake of Fire where their worm dieth not and the flesh is burned for ever and ever. We are all deserving of punishment but God is merciful and loving to send His Only Begotten Son to take away the sins of the world.
Most people that convert to Christianity for money are not true converts to Christ and will be punished for their misdeeds.
Maybe you live in a country or nation where Christianity is unlawful and not in the majority. I can tell you where I live, we see converts coming to Jesus Christ all the time. Yea some Muslims are converting to Christianity. See here: http://jude3kjb.blogspot.com/
The cross is a symbol. I do not worship the cross or wear one around my neck. It symbolizes the love of God had for me. I will cherish that old cross as a memory of His great sacrifice. I hope you can understand this. My prayer is that the darkness of your eyes will be enlightened to receive this wonderful gift of Salvation through the shed Blood of Jesus Christ, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings to be worshipped and adored forever and ever.
Adam said:
dear freind
i wonder how you dont understand what i mean when i told that we beleive in the bible.i mean we moslims beleive in the bible that is from God.but when it was time to write it down on papers,here at this moment a lot of verses added by human hands and other verses delated.if you think that is impossible then you are deceiving yourself.why not impossible?
your answer about money given to people to convert to chritainity was not good.you all did is show me the result of people accepting money without real faith.no,i want you answer me why preachers give
money to people to convert to chritainity?!!if you convert we will give you money?!!!why money?
you should that when we give money,that means that we know already that the target person will not accept to do what we want him to do,sowe use moneymost preachers choose poor people to convertwhy?!!is chritainity only for poor people?!!you chritains dont beleive in our prophet.because it is not mentioned in the bible.is this a logic reason?!!our prophet is mentioned in the bible but as i told you, the bible is distorted.(distort is something and to deny all is somthine else)
Mohammad in the bible http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/6377/index.htm
and if mohamed is not a prophet, where did the Quran come from?!!what about scientific truth in the Quran?!!!http://www.islam-guide.com/. is mohamed able to say this truths 1400 years ago?!!!!!!!!!!!!
do you know what does it mean 1400 years ago?.this truths are discovered in the 20th centry!!!
but please be clear and explaine me?the prophet mohamed tell us about scintific truth.if you dont unswer me, i think there is no need to go forwards in our debate.
jesus is god according to you.the son og god.jesus himself said"i and the father is one.it means i am the father and the father is me.ok. when jesus god die for the tree days,who was controling and arranging the world?!!! who kept the three heavens to fall down?!!!
you say god and son and holy trinity is one.how can three things be one(3=1)?!!!!if you tell me that 1+1+1=1,then you must go to a psychologist.
if i put in front of you a glass of water and a glas of tea and a glass of cofee,then i tell you how many of them?
if you say it is one,i have also to tell you to go to a psychologist.and if you say that its three glasses, then i ask you how could 3 be 1.
if you say that god is compound.THEN WHO COMPOUND GOD BEFORE HE BECOMES COMPOUND,and he is the creator of the universe?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think you dont beleive in logic.if you dont beleive in it.thats your problem.
thats why i advise you to read quran.you will find answers of all your delima question.
all people converted to islam say that we had bad image on islam and they say that the only source of information about islam was TV.and the channels which spread islamophobia are very known
brother i advise you to look for the truth but not from TV
may allah help you to know the truth
Adam
My response:
Dear Adam:
Sir, you give no evidence for your stand against the Bible. Just conjecture and opinion. It really means nothing. It seems you get all your information from youtube. I wonder why you will not debate in a logical manner. Where is your evidence for God's Word the Bible? What is your basis for your opinions about the Bible? Your premise is confusing. I concede it is very possible to add words to the Bible. Just like Mohammad did when he wrote the Satanic Verses. But my God preserves His Word to believers. Your god writes them, then rejects them as "satanic". I have in my possession, the 1611 Authorized King James translation that is proven to be historically accurate for the last 500 years. Before that they had the Hebrew and Greek and Aramaic manuscripts that were jealously guarded from any misquotes or mistranslations. I agree that there are many perverted texts out there but they were all from the Alexandrian texts that were polluted.
The devil is very clever to not only pollute God's Holy Word but also to counterfeit and dilute true Christianity. The devil has many of his disciples going to and fro, up and down in the earth to deceive many. Many masquerade as Christ's disciples but they are not.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
I am not aware of anyone anywhere that takes money to become a Christian. Perhaps in your country there are desperate few that will accept money to convert but not here the US. Those that give money to convert are not true preachers of the Gospel and will perish with their money.
Mohammad in the bible? More lies conjured up to try to legitimize your religion. I read the link. The Hebrew word here is
. It means exactly as the translation-LOVELY. But the verse is not talking about your prophet. That is absurd just because the word machmad and Mohammad sound the same does not make them equivalent. The context speaks about Solomon's beloved and prophetically the beauty of Jesus Christ. The Book is a divine allegory that describes Christ and His Beloved.machmad
There are many vague scientific examples you have given. How about these absurd "scientific" findings in extra-Koranic writings? Muhammad said that upon awakening one must blow his nose three times to rid himself of the Devil, who spends the night in a man's nostrils (Sahih Bukhari IV, 516; Muslim I, 462), that yawning is from Satan (Bukhari IV, 509), that if a Muslim falls asleep praying Satan urinates in his ears (Bukhari II:245), and people who pray with their eyes lifted toward heaven might have their eyes snatched away (Muslim I, 863). Many of the "scientific" discoveries in the Koran were already understood and propagated through the Bible. Your hind sight is always 20/20. I would like to see the prophecies of the Koran come true. Where is the light of that proof. You have similar experience of the false prophet Nostradamas. You use vagueness but we use the Bible. It is true that ALL the prophecies of the Bible have come to pass or must shortly come to pass.
Jesus is GOD> He is God manifest in the flesh. You do not understand because you have a god in you mind. Let go of your notions to see the God that created the universe could certainly manifest Himself as a man and still control everything from Heaven. He is triune. You reject the true God because you have a finite understanding. God is infinite and may manifest Himself in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ. You may ridicule and mock me but your time is short because Jesus Christ will return to this earth again soon. If you have not received Jesus Christ you must be punished.
I became a Christian when I was in my 40s. I was a religious zealot like you but I had no knowledge of saving faith in Christ. When I understood my plight, I repented and believed upon Jesus Christ for my salvation.. This means I changed my mind about my false religion and turned to Jesus Christ for the keeping of my soul.
If you humble yourself and receive the Lord and acknowledge your error, you will be saved. You have watched youtube too long. Get out your Bible and READ!
I am awaiting Adam's response. I will post more as it develops. IF I hear from Adam again. Your comments are appreciated.
Mar 25, 2008
Salvation Testimony of Surit Mondal
Friends:
Below is the testimony of Surit Mondal. I am publishing this testimony in his own words to preserve the hearts message. The english is not perfect but the heart is right. He is a convert by the ministry of my dear missionary friend Nathaniel Hazra, missionary to Bangladesh. See his blog here: http://suvationbd.blogspot.com/
The Testimony of Surit Mondal:
Below is the testimony of Surit Mondal. I am publishing this testimony in his own words to preserve the hearts message. The english is not perfect but the heart is right. He is a convert by the ministry of my dear missionary friend Nathaniel Hazra, missionary to Bangladesh. See his blog here: http://suvationbd.blogspot.com/
The Testimony of Surit Mondal:
Last January 12th 2008 my own effort I arranged a meeting in my home. Purpose of that meeting was to my invited neighbor and parent the facts of my past life occurred and give my testimony that by the grace of God how I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and my Saviour. And the same time Bro. Nathaniel preached that what will be the last judgment seat of Jesus Christ. Those who are lost will be stand front of Him. First time Jesus came by grace and truth.
Now my life is a blessing life. But once time I had no hope in my life. My behavior was so bad that can not think about it. My heart was so dark and covered by scandal. I wanted to explain what was happened my past life before coming to Christ life. I have born in a Muslim family in 5th October 1977. Born in Choudhuray family and bearing this title means influential and extraordinary majesty and honors (Choudhurey is high class family title). But nothing happened any of those in my life. Though my father's was respected and renowned by his people, but my own condition was very low. My name was 'Afsarul Islam Choudhury', it is Muslim name. When my age was 6 my father turned out my Mother. My father insulted my mother front of every body and expelled her. That time my brother age was 6 month, and my mother took my bother with her and gone away, and my father kept me with him. My habit was slept with my mother. Every day my mother was kept me lull to sleep with her loving touch on my head. Be hurt or pained my mother caress and console me. But within a minute my mother's caress and console ceased. After my mother left next day my father did not keep me his house, sent me my uncle's house. I became alone, born too father and mother's blood that I have nobody. No bodies hear my crying, only blue sky can hear. Dark cloud covered my beautiful life. No body love me, caress me, affection me, every now and then my uncle lay hands on me, beat me. By the advice my father my uncle admitted me a orphans Madrasa (it is a muslin/Quranic orphans school). Many kind of and many manners boys are hear. There's many boys have no fathers and mothers or only have father or mother. But in my life both have but I did not got them in my life in my present. Like grow up like a vagabond. I used to go my uncle house when my Madrasa vacation or closed. One day I told my uncle that please kindly don't sent me again to Madrasa and admit me to regular school, then he angered and by forced he feed me his spittle and he bind/tie me with a rope and hang up me top of the roof beaten me front of his children. My father first wife's (My mother was my father's second wife Muslim can marry and keep with him four wives) children used to go good school, but they sent me Madrasa to be a Muslim priest, only the reason that I was born in Christian mother womb. One day I got a change to visit my father's new house. The house is very beautiful, and every person's have separate room but they arranged me to sleep in floor. I got silent and astonished about their behave to me. My father's first wife's children is his children and I am also his child, but my place is different then them. My step brother always complaint against me, and according to that accusation my father and my step mother time to time excessively beat me. Day by day I grow hated to my father. All everything I became entirely different. I understood I have no one of mine. When my age was twelve then to erase of my Father's identity I gone unknown way to left everything. When I got tried to walk in different place in Banani,
Suddenly I met a man of very close of father's. I scared, but he consoled me and told me that he will take me to my mother. I gladly revealed my zeal to go with him, and he took me to my uncle and aunt's house (my mother's brother and his wife) and it was 1992. When we gone their house, at first sight my aunt thought me that I am a bagger or street-boy and did not wanted to allow me into their house. After got my identity everybody of them joyfully accept me. My uncle called my mother and after nine year we both met together. My mother brings me to her peace at Jessore District where she worked in a School as a teacher. All we satisfied to get each other. In 1993 my mother took me a local church where I was teaching about Bible and Jesus Christ. But suddenly Devil became a wall between us, my father left his first wife and came to us in 2000. I could not accept him. But my mother and my brother accept him and for that I got pain and distressed. I lost many year in my life only the reason of that father and every of my family accept him! I could not accept it. My bother said that he never seen father, now he got his father. My mother said I got back my husband. For that reason the situation became too hard and worse between my mother and my brother. My mother forgot the past fact that her husband turn away to her with her six months baby, but I could not forget it. I became alone. I could not sleep and could not close attention to my study. My light of hope is becoming blowing out.
Last 2001 Bro. Nathaniel came in Jessore for preaching and got acquainted with. I was feeling very better to his preaching and teaching. I tried to change my life according to his preaching. I always was keeping relation with him. Several time he invite me to
Suddenly postman came to me and gave me a big envelope. I open it and got "SUVATION" magazine published by Bro. Hazra. Very earnestly I was reading it and looked a article at the page number 4 the Bengali translation of "Dr. Law and Dr. Grace" by late Evangelist Lester Roloff, and the first paragraph writing was Titus 2:11-14. I like that Bible versus very much. At first my family matter was the main cause for me to separation from God. My father is Muslim and my mother is Christian and these points I always got shocked in my life and for that I did not get peace in my mind. But the Bible verse from the article of "Dr. Law and Dr. Grace" of Suvation magazine very clearly matched to my life taht "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way . . . Isaiah 53:6. That means I kept God to far from my life and I always blaming to my Muslim father and mother, and that thing is wrong thought and nonsense and that is the cause of my frustration. Actually main problem is my heart. I know myself. I know my work, my though and my acts. I could not blame myself, and should be blame myself. From "Meeting with Dr. Law" I knew that serious trouble is in my heart. I am suffering, and that is heart problem and I am seriously sick. My before old carnal condition that means not being spiritual man, without having Holy spirit I do not getting regain consciousness. My heart happened a serious damaged for that like it is happing. I felt most critical frustration stage. My father Muslim, my mother Christian, my heart is sinful. So I was looking a way of remedy or repair of it. And what is that way? To know of it to go Dr. Religion and associates, come back to Dr. Law than go Dr. Grace then I entered deep in my heart and saw my heart is blackest, so terrible, notorious, stink, stigmatized and ugly and know body knows of my family and friends but I know. After finished the reading this article "Dr. Law and Dr. Grace" I cried, I wept. To looked to my heart I noticed the main cause of my fickle-mindedness and impatience. Dr Law showed me my all improper acts and guilt and to make my life genuine, sincere and became new by Holy Spirit Dr. Grace Lord Jesus Christ regain consciousness. October 5th 2007 I closed my room door and started to pray and said my Lord that I do not wanted to die, though I can die in bodily but I wanted to live in spirit with you. Same day and same time I confess my sin to Lord Jesus Christ, I repented from my sin, I wanted forgive my own sin to Christ, and then by the Holy Spirit I understand I got saved. I believe by the grace of God the Father and precious blood of Jesus Christ same day I got saved. In my heart great excessive joy came to my heart, came peace in my heart. All my sin washed away, Amen. In the same time I called my Bro. Hazra in my cell phone. Spiritually I became strength to give my testimony publicly. Last January 12th 2008 Bro. Hazra came to our place and front of around 80 of my relative, friends and neighbors I gave my testimony that by the grace of God and through Lord Jesus Christ I got new life. Through me presence of Holy Spirit is revel. In my work, my righteous, my family, every side now my life in Christ is fulfilled joyful by God. I completed the lesson of "Now that you've believed" Very soon I am going to be baptized through Bro. Hazra
But my testimony day my father and my mother was not present, and they did not like this meeting and did not expected Bro. Hazra in hour house. Bro Hazra was one night in our house.
I am now God's new Creature, His Children and right of His realm. Amen
Mar 20, 2008
Did Jesus Die on a Friday?
Good Friday is the day which many around the world observe as the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Catholic Encyclopedia describes Good Friday as "the Friday on which the Church keeps the anniversary of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ." Now, I really never could figure out how anyone could put Jesus' death on Friday. Do the math. Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, not Friday. Do not be deceived blind followers of the blind. Do your homework. I created the following timeline to help us understand:
* These are approximate times as the times are not explicitly mentioned in scripture; mentioned to show the flow of events
So what's the big deal? So what if Jesus was crucified on Wednesday or Friday.? What does it matter? Just this: God wants us to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. John 4:24
Apostasy begins in the slightest of error. We must be careful what we believe. Jesus admonished the Pharisees for this.
Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
| | Wed 14 | Thu 15 | Fri 16 | Sat 17 | Sun 18 |
|
| Nisan 14 Starts | Nisan 15 Starts | Nisan 16 Starts | Nisan 17 Starts | Nisan 18 Starts |
|
| *Jesus has His Passover after sunset | Night 1 - | Night 2 - | Night 3 - | Both Marys go and buy spices after sunset when the Sabbath ended |
|
| | | | | |
|
| *They go to | | | | |
|
| | | | | |
|
| | | | | |
|
| | | | | |
|
| *After 3 hours Jesus is arrested | | | | |
|
| *Jesus is brought to the Sanhedrin and falsely judged | | | | |
|
| | | | | |
|
| | | | | The women find Jesus is "taken" before sunrise. |
|
| | | | | |
|
| Day of Preparation - | Day 1 | Day 2 - | Day 3 | |
|
| | | | | |
|
| | | | | |
|
| Jesus is Crucified | *At some time after the Day of Preparation the Pharisees went to get Pilate to put guards at the tomb "until the third day". | | | * This would have been the time when the guards would have left, if they hadn't witnessed the Resurection. |
|
| | | | | |
|
| | | | | |
|
| Darkness over the Earth | | | | |
|
| | | | | |
|
| | | | | |
|
| Jesus yielded up the ghost | | | | |
|
| | | | | Jesus meets with the two walking to Emmaus. |
|
| *Jesus is buried in haste | | | | *The two run back to the 11 and tell of their meeting with Jesus and Jesus appears to them all. |
* These are approximate times as the times are not explicitly mentioned in scripture; mentioned to show the flow of events
So what's the big deal? So what if Jesus was crucified on Wednesday or Friday.? What does it matter? Just this: God wants us to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. John 4:24
Apostasy begins in the slightest of error. We must be careful what we believe. Jesus admonished the Pharisees for this.
Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Mar 11, 2008
good parenting
These are my rambling notes from a sermon I heard on Sunday March 2nd, 2008 at my church at Long Island Baptist. It was preached by Pastor John Graf:
Good parenting is not done by accident or happenstance. Good parenting is carefully calculated and strategically planned to bring our children to an expected end. A child by nature is rebellious, disobedient, deceitful lustful and altogether undone. (Mark 7:20) This nature is embedded in the heart and must be dealt with dutifully. Begin by teaching obedience to parental authority. If a child is taught to obey, he will please his parents. He is taught to abstain from sin and avoid fleshly lusts and flee from vice by teaching him obedience to God and His will.
This is done by planting the seeds of obedience. But just planting is not enough. It is the nurture and loving hands of guidance that rescue our children from the grips of rebellion and pride. By capturing our children's hearts and subduing them, we can then bring the child into obedience to Jesus Christ. The heart is captured by building the bridge of relationships that so many miss. These bridges are the ties that bind. It takes work and dedication and determination in the face of great difficulty to accomplish these lofty goals of relationship building. These bonds of relationships grow stronger with memories built and impressions made on young hearts that trigger hurt and heartache when the bond is broken by mistrust and unresolved issues. It takes dedication to prayer for our children. It takes determination to do whatever it takes to bring our children to an expected end.
Parents are not just babysitters. We are to be about the Father's business by forming and guiding our children to be above the norm. As an archer that forms his arrows so must we as parents form our children to fly straight and true. (Psalm 127:4) The arrows are to be aimed with precision and accuracy to hit the target. This is done by relating to our children in the most attentive and careful way. The arrow does not care how pretty the feathers are. Only that they are located and formed right. Children do not want us to buy them stuff. They want attention. My children want ME! Backyard baseball and hobbies and sports, reading a book and playing a game are all activities not wasted on our children.
Please post a comment.
Good parenting is not done by accident or happenstance. Good parenting is carefully calculated and strategically planned to bring our children to an expected end. A child by nature is rebellious, disobedient, deceitful lustful and altogether undone. (Mark 7:20) This nature is embedded in the heart and must be dealt with dutifully. Begin by teaching obedience to parental authority. If a child is taught to obey, he will please his parents. He is taught to abstain from sin and avoid fleshly lusts and flee from vice by teaching him obedience to God and His will.
This is done by planting the seeds of obedience. But just planting is not enough. It is the nurture and loving hands of guidance that rescue our children from the grips of rebellion and pride. By capturing our children's hearts and subduing them, we can then bring the child into obedience to Jesus Christ. The heart is captured by building the bridge of relationships that so many miss. These bridges are the ties that bind. It takes work and dedication and determination in the face of great difficulty to accomplish these lofty goals of relationship building. These bonds of relationships grow stronger with memories built and impressions made on young hearts that trigger hurt and heartache when the bond is broken by mistrust and unresolved issues. It takes dedication to prayer for our children. It takes determination to do whatever it takes to bring our children to an expected end.
Parents are not just babysitters. We are to be about the Father's business by forming and guiding our children to be above the norm. As an archer that forms his arrows so must we as parents form our children to fly straight and true. (Psalm 127:4) The arrows are to be aimed with precision and accuracy to hit the target. This is done by relating to our children in the most attentive and careful way. The arrow does not care how pretty the feathers are. Only that they are located and formed right. Children do not want us to buy them stuff. They want attention. My children want ME! Backyard baseball and hobbies and sports, reading a book and playing a game are all activities not wasted on our children.
Please post a comment.
Subscribe to:
Posts (Atom)
